There's always room for improvement. You just need to create a real summary of your own making, and not just copy and paste from the body of the article. gdm ( talk ) 21:15, (UTC)Please cite me the policy or guideline that says I can't just copy and past from the body. Let's leave aside our various opinions and stick to policies and guidelines. Leadwind ( talk ) 15:40, (UTC)Just a matter of common sense, leadwind. Clearly, you don't want to have a paragraph here, then an identical one further down.- gdm ( talk ) 19:31, (UTC)Neither of the paragraphs you deleted from the lead was identical to any paragraph in the body. But it's a moot point because the sort of information that you deleted (author and content) is now in the lead.
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In particular, it should summarize the content of the book and the various traditions about the author. Leadwind ( talk ) 23:45, (UTC) If you feel the intro is incomplete, you need to write a section to add whatever you think is missing, but please don't do it by copying and pasting, or cutting and pasting, from the body of the article. Re authorial issues: In the case of a document like revelation, these are more extensive than can be covered adequately in the intro, which is why they have looking been given their own separate section. The rules are good guidelines, but each situation is unique and some flexibility is required. gdm ( talk ) 04:09, (UTC)Two editors and the guidelines for good leads all say we should summarize the main points of the article in the lead. I have a lot of experience editing leads and have a pretty good idea that this one is poor. A lead should be able to stand on its own as a concise summary of the topic. Please cite a guideline or policy that supports excluding this information from the lead. If you can't, then please let other editors edit this page in accordance with standard wp practice. Leadwind ( talk ) 17:52, (UTC)No problem there, leadwind.
One suggestion for improvement: Include something about John in the introduction. I liked the definition of the word "revelation something similar regarding John would be useful. The john that wrote "revelations" can be confused with "John the baptist". It would just be a good idea to establish something of his identity, what his relationship was to Christ, etc. To provide some context for the rest of the article. Jonny quick —preceding unsigned comment added by ( talk ) 04:30, (UTC) Jonny: good comment. If the we could agree that John the Apostle wrote revelation, we could have a section giving all of the background information we have on him, and it most certainly would be a worthwhile addition. Trouble is, we can't agree on who wrote it (see the section on "Authorship. gdm ( talk ) 19:12, (UTC) The lead should summarize the article, see wp:lead.
149)." so i removed the encyclopedia middle-man and changed the reference to "Jerome's homily on Psalm 149". I will get the homily later and verify or remove the wikipedia sentence on Jerome. The second one was about the 1st council of Hippo. The wikipedia page used more wishy-washy language that made it appear as if the council was against the Apocalypse. Rather, only dissenters were, and the council affirmed. So, i removed the statement about the council, since it was irrelevant. Glorthac ( talk ) 03:16, (UTC) Include some sense of John in the introduction. Edit i liked this introduction. It flowed and made sense (unlike many if not most fruit other wiki articles).
The complete lack of original thought on wikimedia precludes it from becoming the foremost Original source of original work and therby becomes the foremost source of secondary (incomplete) work at best. The placement of original thought and source on wikimedia means that it becomes the source and not a mirror and therefore the content becomes truly copyrighted as part of the point of the gpl.0 completely to fulfill its intentions. Just a thought for "Non-scientific, non-substantive and inconclusive" veins of personal/ professional research. Just a thought Vision2020 ( talk ) 02:48, (UTC) no idea what you are trying to say but if you try to put " original thought " in this article, or any other article in wikipedia, it will be deleted. Decausa ( talk ) 05:39, (UTC) Two improvements edit The first one was about Jerome relegating the Apocalypse to a second class. I checked the source, and it was an encyclopedia. I got the encyclopedia, found its information, and all it said about Jerome on the Apocalypse was: "An exceptional position was taken up by jerome, who, under eastern influence, relegated the Apocalypse to the second class of scripturae ecclesiasticae (in.
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Who would assignment only want to know something in broad terms? Glorthac ( talk ) 18:01, (UTC) If you think that Bible commentaries written by romanists agree on the interpetation of particular verses, i suggest you go to your local Romanist seminary's library, pull commentaries off the shelf, and compare the comments. ( EnochBethany ( talk ) 06:00, 20 February 2014 (UTC) This thread is over three years old, why are you responding to it? What purpose does it serve to improve the article? Omson ( talk ) 06:03, 20 February 2014 (UTC) I believe that many people who look to this source yourself of information aim to increase their understanding of what possible interpretations of the final book of the bible means. Without providing some original thougt on this, there may be some who leave unedified and uneducated beyond their own interpretations of the deeply mystifying words meanings. Some phrases have deep meanings that aer not just leical, but historical, religiously repetitive, recurrent reincarnataions of previous prophecy nad other mysterious analogies.
I would suggest that a page be created for each section that is being debated that they be ordered according to the schools of hought that are recognised and the area of wikimedia's Blight: Original Thought vision2020 ( talk ) 02:48, (UTC) This secion. We as editors and as reviewers of it can only make sure that the content is not plagiarised or ethically corrupt yet allow for new ideas to be promulgated that an educated mind might make a connection between a new thought and printed corroboration. We don't know what it means, but we can only guess and hope that the faith placed in those guesses be accurate to redeem the lost. Vision2020 ( talk ) 02:48, (UTC) An example of original thought might be the expansion of the measurements of a few verses describing the new heaven and New Earth into an essay on possibilities that it therefore presents to the modern readers' mind. To this end I have created an unexpanded link to a non-existant page that maybe i might edit to expose such a flaw in the very design of extreme intolerance of wikimedia reviewers' attitude towards original thought that cannot be copyrighted being placed.
Coxparra ( talk ) 18:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC) There are similarities between the visions of John and those of ezekiel; the waters in ezekiel's city are of interest as well as his detailed architectural remarks; there are similarities as well amongst the observations. ( talk ) 18:03, (UTC) a pre-christian version edit In the "Source" section, you do not mention the hypothesis that the book of revelations (revelation) contains ancient pre-Christian texts of Jewish origin dating from the time of John the baptist and the communities of Qumran. Indeed, in several verses one can isolate the ancient text from the one attributed to john, the latter having just added in the original text some words like "Jesus Christ" (rev 1: 1 "testimony of Jesus Christ rev. 1: 2) or even" Jesus rev 1: 9 occurrencies that we can find in dozens of verses across all 22 chapters. Example of old embedded jewish text with additions between brackets (source:. Tabor) : rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place; he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testified to the word of God and to the testimony.
3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and who keep what is written in it; for the time is near. 4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness. To him who loves us and freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and made us to be a kingdom, priests serving his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Rev 1:9 i, john, your brother who share with you in Jesus the persecution and the kingdom and the patient endurance, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. Reference: read the following books and articles detailing this subject: "revelation (The Anchor Yale bible commentaries. Massyngberde ford, yale University Press, 1995 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ( talk ) 09:50, (UTC) - so i added a small reference to this hypothesis which is supported by several old texts -luxorion Can we expand upon the interpretation sections? Edit The interpretation section only explains the beliefs of various denominations in broad terms, like the catholic Church teaches amillenialism. I'd prefer for the interpretation section to explain the interpretations in detail, like: "The catholic Church teaches the first seal and the rider on the white horse as Christ who has conquered and is conquering through the holy Spirit and His Church." This is probably.
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However, i still think paragraphs 2-4 shouldn't even be there in the first place. I think this because proposal paragraph 1 is about the '3 John's theory while paragraphs 2-4 are about a 'redactor of revelation' theory. If you like how i've shortened the article, say so, so we can remove that dumb "undue" thingy. Glorthac ( talk ) 20:17, (UTC) Old Testament origins edit i'm trying to start a new section entitled Old Testament Origins of revelation. This seems a useful topic and it is one which has spawned a small and manageable research literature in recent years. My plan is to have an opening part which discusses the theories commentators have developed, then a section going through each chapter of revelation feasibility (actually it will probably be possible to group the chapters) and show the interesting uses to which John puts his sources. Anyway; that is the plan at present! All are welcome to add to and amend it as it goes along.
in 66AD. Perhaps a professional could" a current source, and so improve the present article? ( talk ) 12:41, (UTC)Statements like "the book x has a date of Y" is of little value. Since dating is hotly debated, if one asserts a date, then evidence is required with argument if one wishes to be believed at all. How do you know when Jude was written? Rev 21:1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth are passed away; and the sea is no more." 2 Peter 3:10 "10 But the day of the lord will come as a thief;. For crying out loud! People up and say just about any nonsense about the bible. ( EnochBethany ( talk ) 05:56, 20 February 2014 (UTC) my editing of Modern views edit i shortened the "Modern views" section significantly.
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